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Toby S's avatar

Thoughtful article on a very provocative subject, thanks gents.

I experienced two vastly different stags in the space of a couple of years:

- The first with a group of late 20s / early 30s.

- The second with a group of late 30s / early 40s.

With the first group (and I include myself in this), in hindsight it felt like we were trying to emulate what a stag “should” be. The humiliation, the rituals, the one-upmanship, the debauchery.

With the second group, it felt like we were genuinely connecting and enjoying our time together - even though the location and the theme was the same. All I can remember is laughing constantly.

I enjoyed both, but the second one really made me evaluate some of my friendships. It was great to spend time with men who were assured in how they chose to spend their time, and who they wanted to spend their time with.

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Gavin Presman's avatar

Learning to say no is good advice. Yet, I'm going to disagree James that "hitting the trap door doesn't count". You've described the worse of toxic masculinity, and my suggestion is that if you find yourself in an environment where leaving and communicating it will leave you open to abuse from your "mates", I say don't feel the need to be a hero and confront it. I'm completely comfortable leaving places I don't want to be. I'm not sure why it wouldn't count if I choose not communicate it to a group of people who are off their heads and whose behaviour is out of line with what I'm enjoying right now?

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